My account got banned for injust reasons - Guild Wars Forums

Zach_ · Oct 23, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Ok. It all started on a Sunday when I had nothing better to do. I started to buy items I was saying in all chat "BUYING ANY GREENS FOR 10 KOME MEET ME BY STORAGE!" and I was getting quite a few sales. But some people were saying I was "scamming" which I was not, I said that I would pay 10 for greens, but they thought I said 10k(10 platinum) which I clearly did not say. Well, the next day I tried to login, and my account had been suspended. I sent my arguement to ArenaNet, but they have not replied back. Please tell me what you feel about this situation.

plastichead · Oct 23, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

Sounds to me like they did the right thing in suspending you.

DeanBB · Oct 23, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

So did people actually sell you greens for 10 gold? Seems like they should be the ones to get banned...

Zach_ · Oct 23, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Well, I said I would pay 10, and I paid 10 for the items.(Yes, I got quite a few green items)

WLlama · Oct 23, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Given that you said '10 kome' I can see why the misunderstanding may have happened. You should always be careful to spell correctly when money is at stake since many people think it is a big deal in-game. That said, if your 10g offer had been clear I doubt you would get any offers given greens are worth 35g to the merchant.

Assuming you had no intent to scam the individuals, ANet will likely review your case and unban your account. However, given they must review the evidence, I would expect it to take at least a few days if not a week or more. This timeline, of course, assumes you were innocent.

Zach_ · Oct 23, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Omg, if it does take a week, then I will be unsuspended by then, I get unsuspended in 160 hours or something.

Knightsaber Sith · Oct 23, 2006, 11:07 PM // 23:07

In the future, don't do things that look a lot like scams if you don't want to get suspended.

Zach_ · Oct 23, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10

Well, I didn't think anyone would get offended or anything(I never thought of this a "scam").

heroajax1 · Oct 23, 2006, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

In the future, don't do things that look a lot like scams if you don't want to get suspended.

amen.

although i do agree with the previous post that peeps should be banned for stupidity as well.

caveat emptor

Mahal · Oct 23, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

I think its a perfectly justified suspension, you used language to intentionally mislead sellers and then gave them 10 gold pieces when they were expecting 10 plat. how is it unjustified? lots of people in temple of ages buy ecto for 7 ea and scam many people by placing gold pieces instead of plat.

Lavindathar · Oct 23, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

Erm, why would people want to sell greens for 10 gold when they are worth 35 at the merchant, and even the shittest greens can be sold for 1k quite easily.

You were trying to scam them, with a "just" reason by saying that is what you offered. If someone said 15 to me for Ghials, I know they want 15k.

Go Bitch somewhere else, and I hope Anet doesnt let you back on.

Knightsaber Sith · Oct 23, 2006, 11:15 PM // 23:15

As stated above, the lowest I've ever seen the merchant buy a green for was like 30 gold. For you to try to buy a bunch for 10 gold would look very much like a scam. Likely some people took a screenshot of you spamming that, which resulted in your suspension. Just don't do stupid crap like that anymore.

I highly doubt they'd overturn the suspension, but you can challenge it since you can't spend your time playing or anything anyway.

Jumping Is Uselss · Oct 23, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

Did anet say why you were banned? Because recently I was banned for using an illegal third party program, when I never even installed one to my comp or used one before. Anet then sent me an email apologizing for the mix up and unbanned me the very next day.

TheSonofDarwin · Oct 23, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Ok now. We aren't stupid and you don't sound stupid. You said you obtained multiple greens doing this. Obviously more than one person got furious by this and likely sent you a PM demonstrating their frustration. At this pont, a logical person who didn't intend the misunderstanding would have altered their 'buy' message to clearly indicate that it was 10g and not 10k. It seems you did not and perpetuated this misunderstanding (whether it was deliberate or not to begin with doesn't matter). Seems justifiable.

Edit: Last sentence removed, because you DID say that people indicated to you the confusion. Seems Anet was justified and I doubt they'll let you off early. You should have altered your sell message to prevent this 'scam' or refunded their item because of the misunderstanding. You aren't required to do either, but then you shouldn't be surprised at the temporary suspension.

Loviatar · Oct 23, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zach_

Ok. It all started on a Sunday when I had nothing better to do. I started to buy items I was saying in all chat "BUYING ANY GREENS FOR 10 KOME MEET ME BY STORAGE!" Please tell me what you feel about this situation.

you know they are worth PLAT and so do the sellers.

your *KOME* looks like you ment 10 *K* and missed the space between as a typo

that was no accident that was a scam.

lets make it 1600 hours instead of 160

Zach_ · Oct 23, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Yeah, it said why I was banned, it mentioned something about items. But, I'm SUSPENDED, not banned, so I WILL be able to get back on. Learn to Read.

WLlama · Oct 23, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Actually, the reason everyone said banned is apparent in the thread title.

That said, with the clarifications, I would say your suspension was justified and that you should take this under consideration in the future. Accept your punishment, don't do it again, and be happy you weren't banned.

Sooty · Oct 23, 2006, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Seems to me like you knew exactly what u were doing...counting on a certain percentage of people to not check the amount you put in the window, and attempting to cover your rear end by spelling your ad in a certain way. I feel sorry for the people that had to learn the hard way that there are people in this game who have absolutely no morals when it comes to money (just like real life).

There's a big difference between buying at less than market value where both buyer and seller agree to a price, and deceiving people into accepting a trade where they later realise the buyer did not pay the agreed upon price, and you know full well they didn't agree to 10g.

Well done Anet.

warren_kn · Oct 24, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

I honestly think you are insulting peoples intelligence with that OP. You can claim that the suspension was unjust. However I think the reaction of everyone who has replied reveals how transparent the scam was (yes it was a scam). You made it clear you were only suspended, mores the pity. I think I can just make enough space on my ignore list for you.

Mercury Angel · Oct 24, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13

As a general rule, these kinds of threads aren't allowed. The community does not have logs of what went on exactly, and the community does not know what Anet was thinking when they decided to ban you, or for what reason. All the community can do is speculate, which often leads to hot-headed rants without any kind of solid information.

Please keep discussion about bans and/or suspensions between you and support, unless it's something likely to be highly relevant to the community, such as the rash of accidental bannings a while back.

In the end, it's not the community you have to convince to get access to your account back, whether at all, or in a more timely manner.

Oct 23, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49	#1
Zach_ Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: Ultra Chronic Warriors Profession: R/Mo	My account got suspended for injust reasons Ok. It all started on a Sunday when I had nothing better to do. I started to buy items I was saying in all chat "BUYING ANY GREENS FOR 10 KOME MEET ME BY STORAGE!" and I was getting quite a few sales. But some people were saying I was "scamming" which I was not, I said that I would pay 10 for greens, but they thought I said 10k(10 platinum) which I clearly did not say. Well, the next day I tried to login, and my account had been suspended. I sent my arguement to ArenaNet, but they have not replied back. Please tell me what you feel about this situation. Last edited by Zach_; Oct 23, 2006 at 11:38 PM // 23:38..

Oct 23, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22	#14
TheSonofDarwin Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Black Hand Gang [BHG] Profession: Mo/	Ok now. We aren't stupid and you don't sound stupid. You said you obtained multiple greens doing this. Obviously more than one person got furious by this and likely sent you a PM demonstrating their frustration. At this pont, a logical person who didn't intend the misunderstanding would have altered their 'buy' message to clearly indicate that it was 10g and not 10k. It seems you did not and perpetuated this misunderstanding (whether it was deliberate or not to begin with doesn't matter). Seems justifiable. Edit: Last sentence removed, because you DID say that people indicated to you the confusion. Seems Anet was justified and I doubt they'll let you off early. You should have altered your sell message to prevent this 'scam' or refunded their item because of the misunderstanding. You aren't required to do either, but then you shouldn't be surprised at the temporary suspension. Last edited by TheSonofDarwin; Oct 23, 2006 at 11:25 PM // 23:25..

Oct 23, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57	#2
plastichead Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2005	Sounds to me like they did the right thing in suspending you.

Oct 23, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57	#3
DeanBB Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com	So did people actually sell you greens for 10 gold? Seems like they should be the ones to get banned...

Oct 23, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59	#4
Zach_ Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: Ultra Chronic Warriors Profession: R/Mo	Well, I said I would pay 10, and I paid 10 for the items.(Yes, I got quite a few green items)

Oct 23, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59	#5
WLlama Caged Mongrel Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cage in a Dungeon Guild: Flaming Turtles Profession: N/	Given that you said '10 kome' I can see why the misunderstanding may have happened. You should always be careful to spell correctly when money is at stake since many people think it is a big deal in-game. That said, if your 10g offer had been clear I doubt you would get any offers given greens are worth 35g to the merchant. Assuming you had no intent to scam the individuals, ANet will likely review your case and unban your account. However, given they must review the evidence, I would expect it to take at least a few days if not a week or more. This timeline, of course, assumes you were innocent.

Oct 23, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03	#6
Zach_ Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: Ultra Chronic Warriors Profession: R/Mo	Omg, if it does take a week, then I will be unsuspended by then, I get unsuspended in 160 hours or something.

Oct 23, 2006, 11:07 PM // 23:07	#7
Knightsaber Sith Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: Few Fallen Heroes [FFH] Profession: W/E	In the future, don't do things that look a lot like scams if you don't want to get suspended.

Oct 23, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10	#8
Zach_ Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: Ultra Chronic Warriors Profession: R/Mo	Well, I didn't think anyone would get offended or anything(I never thought of this a "scam").

Oct 23, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14	#10
Mahal Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2006 Profession: Mo/	I think its a perfectly justified suspension, you used language to intentionally mislead sellers and then gave them 10 gold pieces when they were expecting 10 plat. how is it unjustified? lots of people in temple of ages buy ecto for 7 ea and scam many people by placing gold pieces instead of plat.

Oct 23, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14	#11
Lavindathar Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manchester, England Guild: The Monstrous Fangs (fang) Profession: N/Mo	Erm, why would people want to sell greens for 10 gold when they are worth 35 at the merchant, and even the shittest greens can be sold for 1k quite easily. You were trying to scam them, with a "just" reason by saying that is what you offered. If someone said 15 to me for Ghials, I know they want 15k. Go Bitch somewhere else, and I hope Anet doesnt let you back on.

Oct 23, 2006, 11:15 PM // 23:15	#12
Knightsaber Sith Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: Few Fallen Heroes [FFH] Profession: W/E	As stated above, the lowest I've ever seen the merchant buy a green for was like 30 gold. For you to try to buy a bunch for 10 gold would look very much like a scam. Likely some people took a screenshot of you spamming that, which resulted in your suspension. Just don't do stupid crap like that anymore. I highly doubt they'd overturn the suspension, but you can challenge it since you can't spend your time playing or anything anyway.

Oct 23, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20	#13
Jumping Is Uselss Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: -... . .... .. -. -.. / -.-- --- ..-	Did anet say why you were banned? Because recently I was banned for using an illegal third party program, when I never even installed one to my comp or used one before. Anet then sent me an email apologizing for the mix up and unbanned me the very next day.

Oct 23, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24	#16
Zach_ Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: Ultra Chronic Warriors Profession: R/Mo	Yeah, it said why I was banned, it mentioned something about items. But, I'm SUSPENDED, not banned, so I WILL be able to get back on. Learn to Read.

Oct 23, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31	#17
WLlama Caged Mongrel Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cage in a Dungeon Guild: Flaming Turtles Profession: N/	Actually, the reason everyone said banned is apparent in the thread title. That said, with the clarifications, I would say your suspension was justified and that you should take this under consideration in the future. Accept your punishment, don't do it again, and be happy you weren't banned.

Oct 23, 2006, 11:43 PM // 23:43	#18
Sooty Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Guild: Giggity Giggity Goo	Seems to me like you knew exactly what u were doing...counting on a certain percentage of people to not check the amount you put in the window, and attempting to cover your rear end by spelling your ad in a certain way. I feel sorry for the people that had to learn the hard way that there are people in this game who have absolutely no morals when it comes to money (just like real life). There's a big difference between buying at less than market value where both buyer and seller agree to a price, and deceiving people into accepting a trade where they later realise the buyer did not pay the agreed upon price, and you know full well they didn't agree to 10g. Well done Anet.

Oct 24, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00	#19
warren_kn Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: London, England	I honestly think you are insulting peoples intelligence with that OP. You can claim that the suspension was unjust. However I think the reaction of everyone who has replied reveals how transparent the scam was (yes it was a scam). You made it clear you were only suspended, mores the pity. I think I can just make enough space on my ignore list for you.

Oct 24, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13	#20
Mercury Angel Avatar of Gwen Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wandering my own road.	As a general rule, these kinds of threads aren't allowed. The community does not have logs of what went on exactly, and the community does not know what Anet was thinking when they decided to ban you, or for what reason. All the community can do is speculate, which often leads to hot-headed rants without any kind of solid information. Please keep discussion about bans and/or suspensions between you and support, unless it's something likely to be highly relevant to the community, such as the rash of accidental bannings a while back. In the end, it's not the community you have to convince to get access to your account back, whether at all, or in a more timely manner.